Our gas prices are supposed to drop a fair bit in Canada as the new
Prime Minister drops the Carbon tax but converting gallons and dollars we've been paying about $4.60 a US gallon in US dollars which I think
is about 50% higher than you guys pay.. The carbon tax off gas will
drop that to closer to $4 here.

Depends on where you are in the US. California requires cleaner-burning

> gas than the rest of the US, and fewer refineries make it than the
> 49-state formulations. My local gas station is $4.59/gallon.

That is quite a difference from one state to another. Here it is
mostly just the oil producing provinces that seem to get a better
price than the rest of us. Usually in Ontario it's a little higher
where I am since I'm far enough up North that there would be higher
costs to transport gas up here, but it's usually only about the same
as 20 cents per US gallon more than Toronto, which is about 175 miles
south of where I am..

It's the only industry I know of where having an accident that's your

> fault results in higher profits for the company. Have a refinery
> accident, prices go through the roof.

Yes, and I think there are more 'accidents' these days when a bunch
of areas have turned to Fracing to get the last of the oil out of
the ground.

My local egg supplier has raised prices 10 cents or so - they're raised

>locally and haven't been affected by cullings. I've read stories
>(fitting to the topic here) that the number of birds killed to prevent
>the spread of bird flu aren't greatly affecting the number of laying
>chickens, and that this is more market manipulation and artificial
>scarcity. We'll see what comes out of this.

10 cents isn't too bad I guess, although maybe there was a bigger
change in chicken meat prices (?).. I suppose the bird flu doesn't
get to egg producing birds as easily since they are maybe more
'contained' than other types. Maybe different areas are different
for that too though. You can't really generalize when talking about
countries as large as both of ours.

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Rob mentioned how there are ways that Canadian chicken farms are run,

nd

that the USA likely runs them differently. I am not sure but I suspect he means how many egg farms keep the hens close together in small cages in order to maximize the number of hens in a particular space.

And to keep sick migratory birds out?

That might work, but if that's really necessary, then we ought to see all the chicken farmers here doing that now, in response to the "bird flu."

No, that is the way the USA does it which means the birds are kept cramped
up together where they are *more* likely to spread disease amongst
themselves.

As far as disease goes, it is better NOT to keep them cramped up together
in large groups of small cages.


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And to keep sick migratory birds out?

That might work, but if that's really necessary, then we ought to see al chicken farmers here doing that now, in response to the "bird flu."

No, that is the way the USA does it which means the birds are kept
cramped up together where they are *more* likely to spread disease
amongst themselves.

As far as disease goes, it is better NOT to keep them cramped up together in large groups of small cages.

That explains Canada, but not Mexico. They're culling chickens in Mexico, but their egg prices never went up. There's something weird about that.

I get what you guys are saying about "chickens live in closer quarters in the USA," but I don't get how they got infected in the first place. I thought it was from migratory birds. Remember the story about "the man who died from bird blue had birds in his backyard?"

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I get what you guys are saying about "chickens live in closer quarters in the USA," but I don't get how they got infected in the first place. I thought it was from migratory birds. Remember the story about "the man who died from

ird

blue had birds in his backyard?"

The chickens must have had some contact with migratory birds. If you've
ever been on a farm, migratory birds are all around, even in the barns. I would assume that they can get into the barns at the egg farms, too.

Once a "close quarters" chicken gets the flu, all of the other chickens in
that area could have it.

I cannot explain Mexico, other than I would assume that they don't have
such strict rules about how many birds they have to euthanize if they are believed to have come in contact.


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Egg Companies? Big Egg has done similar supply manipulation tricks in the past.

Ok, but that contradicts your expert knowledge of egg farming and the notion that "farmed chickens living conditions favor infectious disease spread."

Both can be true, it is not an "either-or" situation in this case.


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The chickens must have had some contact with migratory birds. If you've ever been on a farm, migratory birds are all around, even in the barns.
I would assume that they can get into the barns at the egg farms, too.

That's what my assumption is also. The facilities can have doors that close, but even places like Walmart get birds flying in once in a while.

Once a "close quarters" chicken gets the flu, all of the other chickens
in that area could have it.

I just don't buy the "close quarters" story. All chickens live in close quarters. I don't believe that there's a farmer who gives each chicken their own apartment, not even in Canada. A sneeze can travel a long distance, way further than the space that any chicken has to herself.

David Muir can totally say otherwise with a straight face though.

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Ok, but that contradicts your expert knowledge of egg farming and the no that "farmed chickens living conditions favor infectious disease spread.

Both can be true, it is not an "either-or" situation in this case.

If we use our imaginations, then any combination of things can be true in any case.

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That might work, but if that's really necessary, then we ought to see all t

>> chicken farmers here doing that now, in response to the "bird flu."

No, that is the way the USA does it which means the birds are kept cramped

>up together where they are *more* likely to spread disease amongst
>themselves.

As far as disease goes, it is better NOT to keep them cramped up together

>in large groups of small cages.

It could be a mixed bag.. If the birds are all kept in small cages inside
of a barn then maybe the wild birds wouldn't get in there where they
might be more vulnerable outside..

But, as you suggest, if the bird flu does get to them then it would
probably spread very quickly.

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Once a "close quarters" chicken gets the flu, all of the other chickens in that area could have it.

I just don't buy the "close quarters" story. All chickens live in close quarters. I don't believe that there's a farmer who gives each chicken their own apartment, not even in Canada. A sneeze can travel a long distance, way further than the space that any chicken has to herself.

No, not like they do at the big farms here. Much like the Chinese wet
markets, these chickens are kept in small cages right next to each other.
"Free range" chickens, while they are not always 6 feet apart, are not kept caged up close to each other for long periods.

The other problem I have heard mentioned is that there is not really any genetic diversity in the US chicken flock. They are all bread for
maximum egg laying. As such, other genetic qualities that might make them
more resistant to certain diseases may not exist.

I have also heard mentioned that, due to the cold, the folks of migratory
birds in Canada are not as large as ours, so their chickens are not as
likely to have contact with outside birds.

This all said, after several trips to the grocery over the past month, I do believe there might be some conspiracy going on. Here in my town, I am not able to find the regular sized Cadbury creme eggs anywhere!!! :O They
only have the bite-sized ones, and the only regular sized ones are carmel!

I suspect that Canada is somehow behind this! :D

Mike

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I just don't buy the "close quarters" story. All chickens live in close quarters. I don't believe that there's a farmer who gives each chicken t own apartment, not even in Canada. A sneeze can travel a long distance, further than the space that any chicken has to herself.

No, not like they do at the big farms here. Much like the Chinese wet markets, these chickens are kept in small cages right next to each other. "Free range" chickens, while they are not always 6 feet apart, are not kept caged up close to each other for long periods.

The other problem I have heard mentioned is that there is not really any genetic diversity in the US chicken flock. They are all bread for
maximum egg laying. As such, other genetic qualities that might make
them more resistant to certain diseases may not exist.

There's a lot of statistical information involved with all of this. Statistically the chickens in Canada are less cramped, statistically they're less likely to spread a virus, and statistically there's less migratory birds in Canada, but that's too many statistics to swallow. But despite all these statistics, it's still statistically impossible for bird flu to not exist in Canada while it's "rampantly infecting American chickens."

This all said, after several trips to the grocery over the past month, I do believe there might be some conspiracy going on. Here in my town, I
am not able to find the regular sized Cadbury creme eggs anywhere!!! :O They only have the bite-sized ones, and the only regular sized ones are carmel!
I suspect that Canada is somehow behind this! :D

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Rob Mccart wrote to MIKE POWELL <=-

It could be a mixed bag.. If the birds are all kept in small cages
inside of a barn then maybe the wild birds wouldn't get in there where they might be more vulnerable outside..

It's the places where the small cages, cramped conditions where chickens get sick. It's also unsanitary. And there is the real "bird flu".


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You'd think they would keep the price of milk low

> RM> for the health of kids. It doesn't seem good that you can buy soft
> RM> drinks for 1/3 the cost of milk.

School lunches and child nutrition are a no-brainer, or you'd think.

>It's an investment into our country - every dollar in SNAP funding adds
>$1.54 to the GDP, and every billion in SNAP benefits supports 14,000
>jobs while contributing more to the GDP then we spend.

Not to mention the benefits to the country as a whole having children

>well-nourished during their formative years and the effect on their
>education.

Instead, we get to hear wealthy politicians blaming poor parents as an

>excuse to cut funding. I guess an ignorant populace is easier to
>manipulate - and someone has to do those jobs no one wants to do when we
>stop all undocumented workers!

Yes, I hear your Congressman from Texas wants to make huge cuts to that.
We have a similar program in Canada just called SNP.

It seems your people there want to cut about $150 Billion that goes
to SNAP as part of the $1.5 to $2 TRILLION government spending cuts
that Trump wants.

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There's a lot of statistical information involved with all of this. Statistically the chickens in Canada are less cramped, statistically they're less likely to spread a virus, and statistically there's less migratory birds in Canada, but that's too many statistics to swallow. But despite all these statistics, it's still statistically impossible for bird flu to not exist in Canada while it's "rampantly infecting American chickens."

It exists in Canada. Per a Canadian poster here, they have had some issues with it, but not like we have because conditions here are different than
there.


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Rob Mccart wrote to KURT WEISKE <=-

It seems your people there want to cut about $150 Billion that goes
to SNAP as part of the $1.5 to $2 TRILLION government spending cuts
that Trump wants.

Citizens United - gave corporations the same freedom of speech as
individuals with none of the responsibilities.

Campaign finance reform - the people receiving campaign donations are
certainly not going to police them, given...

No term limits - once you're in office, you're making money, legitimate
and otherwise for as long as you can get re-elected and stand up. Or
longer, now that the ADA, which they're abolishing, made way for
mobility scooters in the Capitol building.

Power - unadulterated. The elected hang on to power as long as possible,
not standing aside for newer, more capable representatives.

The representation in the legislative and judicial branch doesn't
represent the generation most represented any more.

Mitch McConnell - held up supreme court nominations then rammed through
Amy Coney Barrett while RBG was still lying in state and states already
started voting.



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I just don't buy the "close quarters" story. All chickens live in close

>> quarters. I don't believe that there's a farmer who gives each chicken thei
>> own apartment, not even in Canada. A sneeze can travel a long distance, way
>> further than the space that any chicken has to herself.

No, not like they do at the big farms here. Much like the Chinese wet

>markets, these chickens are kept in small cages right next to each other.
>"Free range" chickens, while they are not always 6 feet apart, are not kept
>caged up close to each other for long periods.

Well make a liar out of me.. I was just checking online and most of
the egg laying chickens here are kept in small individual cages too.
There are some 'Prime' brands that talk about Free Range..

I think the fewer cases of bird flu is more due to the migratory
birds that carry it are either coming North from Mexico or South
and there's no point going a lot further North into Canada or,
and I think this is more likely, they are coming from Asia and,
again, probably keep further South for the warmer weather.
IOW They 'Flock' to the USA.. B)

This all said, after several trips to the grocery over the past month, I do

>believe there might be some conspiracy going on. Here in my town, I am not
>able to find the regular sized Cadbury creme eggs anywhere!!! :O They
>only have the bite-sized ones, and the only regular sized ones are carmel!

I suspect that Canada is somehow behind this! :D

That's probably our Chickens getting back at Trump... B)

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There's a lot of statistical information involved with all of this. Statistic

>y the chickens in Canada are less cramped, statistically they're less likely
>spread a virus, and statistically there's less migratory birds in Canada, but
>at's too many statistics to swallow. But despite all these statistics, it's s
>l statistically impossible for bird flu to not exist in Canada while it's "ra
>ntly infecting American chickens."

As I just mentioned in the previous message, we are also guilty of
keeping most of our egg laying chickens in cramped cages, so I was
wrong to suggest otherwise earlier. That's changed a bit over the
years and I wasn't up to date.

And as far as the bird flu thing goes, I think that the vast majority
of migratory birds prefer your climate to ours since these birds
are generally from other far away countries and not our regular
ones that travel North and South to avoid winter.. (Snowbirds?) B)

That said, it could well be our North/South birds that do pick
up avian flu and bring the odd case back to Canada. We do have
some of it here but not in the numbers you appear to get there.

I say that like it's nothing up here.. We had one egg farmer in
British Columbia who had to kill 30,000 hens due to that, and our
totals are edging into the millions, but they say that down there
you've lost at least 20 million hens to it so maybe the numbers
are not so much a result of climate, as I was thinking, but just
how many farms there are that can be hit with it..

I know.. I'm wobbling between two different possible causes and
either or both could be correct.

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Mitch McConnell - held up supreme court nominations then rammed through
Amy Coney Barrett while RBG was still lying in state and states already started voting.

Careful, you are starting to sound like a MAGA complaning about that one.


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This all said, after several trips to the grocery over the past month, I

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>believe there might be some conspiracy going on. Here in my town, I am

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>able to find the regular sized Cadbury creme eggs anywhere!!! :O They
>only have the bite-sized ones, and the only regular sized ones are carmel!

I suspect that Canada is somehow behind this! :D

That's probably our Chickens getting back at Trump... B)

Silly Canadian. Cadbury eggs come from the Easter Bunny. :D

Mike


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That said, it could well be our North/South birds that do pick
up avian flu and bring the odd case back to Canada. We do have
some of it here but not in the numbers you appear to get there.

I say that like it's nothing up here.. We had one egg farmer in
British Columbia who had to kill 30,000 hens due to that, and our
totals are edging into the millions, but they say that down there
you've lost at least 20 million hens to it so maybe the numbers
are not so much a result of climate, as I was thinking, but just
how many farms there are that can be hit with it..

The ifs are endless, and so are the manipulative opportunities of the media. The only thing that's for sure is the price of the eggs was at about $10 per dozen for a couple months, and now the price is trickling back down mysteriously, similar to the way that gas prices do.

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It could be a mixed bag.. If the birds are all kept in small cages
inside of a barn then maybe the wild birds wouldn't get in there where
they might be more vulnerable outside..

It's the places where the small cages, cramped conditions where chickens get

>sick. It's also unsanitary. And there is the real "bird flu".

Yes, and not pleasant for the chickens at the best of times. I thought
that type of caging was illegal in Canada as cruel but either something
changed or I had just never seen it where I lived.

I grew up in the country where we had the tiny lot on the road, just
a few acres where we kept and bred horses (my sister's love) but all
the neighbours had hundred+ acre farms with cattle (milk or meat) and
crops or both and many of them had chickens for eggs and meat but they
were all free range kept fenced in but loose outside so I never saw
the 'factory' type egg producing farms..

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Rob Mccart wrote to DR. WHAT <=-

crops or both and many of them had chickens for eggs and meat but they were all free range kept fenced in but loose outside so I never saw
the 'factory' type egg producing farms..

There are heartbreaking documentaries about factory egg farms. I
determined I'd only buy cage free eggs, and I live close to an egg farm
where you can see how they're treated.

They have an egg "vending machine" at the farm, $4 for 18 eggs. I
haven't seen it, but I assume there's someone behind the facade taking
the money and pushing out a pallet of eggs.



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Rob Mccart wrote to Dr. What <=-

Yes, and not pleasant for the chickens at the best of times. I thought that type of caging was illegal in Canada as cruel but either something changed or I had just never seen it where I lived.

It's usually in a rural area - so most people won't pass by.
And it's usually in a very large, nondescript building.

We have a large egg producing "factory" on our way to our dance lesson, but the only way we know it's an "egg factory" is that it caught fire a few years back and was in the news. There's no signage. I wonder why.


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believe there might be some conspiracy going on. Here in my town, I am

>not able to find the regular sized Cadbury creme eggs anywhere!!! :O

I suspect that Canada is somehow behind this! :D

That's probably our Chickens getting back at Trump... B)

Silly Canadian. Cadbury eggs come from the Easter Bunny. :D

Oops.. My mistake.. We raised rabbits for a while and about the only
thing I ever saw rabbits lay was other rabbits.. B)

(You can take 'Lay' any way you like..) ;)

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We had one egg farmer in
British Columbia who had to kill 30,000 hens due to that, and our
totals are edging into the millions, but they say that down there
you've lost at least 20 million hens to it

The ifs are endless, and so are the manipulative opportunities of the media.

> only thing that's for sure is the price of the eggs was at about $10 per doz
>for a couple months, and now the price is trickling back down mysteriously, s
>lar to the way that gas prices do.

Hard to say.. High prices would cut down the number of eggs farmers
could sell so I'd wonder at the 'advantage' if there wasn't an actual
serious shortage...

Maybe it only took a few months for them to replace those chickens with
young ones finally old enough to lay eggs. If you have the same barriers
from state to state there that we have here, maybe the prices went crazy
in a few states that got hit hard and not so much in others?

I remember the news here at that time though where they said that
the prices down there were going way up but they said that it wouldn't
affect us here. Could be several possible reasons for that..

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There are heartbreaking documentaries about factory egg farms. I

> determined I'd only buy cage free eggs, and I live close to an egg farm
> where you can see how they're treated.

They have an egg "vending machine" at the farm, $4 for 18 eggs. I

> haven't seen it, but I assume there's someone behind the facade taking
> the money and pushing out a pallet of eggs.

That sounds like a great thing there, and the price isn't even too bad..

My sister lives near some farms that have hens and she buys most
of hers from there too, although no vending machines. Usually they
have a roadside table with one of the kids selling the eggs.

For some reason they are all brown eggs though.. (?) B)

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Yes, and not pleasant for the chickens at the best of times. I thought
that type of caging was illegal in Canada as cruel but either something changed or I had just never seen it where I lived.

It's usually in a rural area - so most people won't pass by.

>And it's usually in a very large, nondescript building.

We have a large egg producing "factory" on our way to our dance lesson, but t

>only way we know it's an "egg factory" is that it caught fire a few years bac
>and was in the news. There's no signage. I wonder why.

Yes, I suppose they might get a lot of protestors in places like that,
most of them having egg salad sandwiches for lunch.. B)

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