On 08-07-23 10:55, Mike Powell <=-
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I would say when they'd not be viable outside the womb. And, by
viable, I would say that means they can live and breathe on their own without life support, be fed orally, and do other things that many
premies who live normal lives can do.

If they have to be kept on a machine in order to force them to be
alive, then no they are not viable.

Be careful with that last statement. Do you mean that they must never
depend on a machine to stay alive, or that they would always need to be
on a life support machine to stay alive. Many premies need neonatal
machines for a period of time and then can be taken off them and live
without such support. I would call that viable, and past the time when abortion should be allowed (if that is all of the relevant facts).

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Prior to Roe V Wade being overturned there was no way to argue for the baby's rights...

Roe vs. Wade did nothing more than move the abortion issue from the states to the federal level. It allowed the Elitists to more easily push their agenda since they only had 1 venue, not 50, to contest things.

I have no problem with factions arguing things out... If it weren't for the pro-life community not backing down, playing the long-game, these babies might not have a chance...

And it forces the anti-abortion community to take as extreme a stance as the pro-abortion community. Hence the inability to find common ground and settle this once and for all.

That is by design. The Elitists want to break people into groups. It's called "divide and conquer". Many tyrants have used this method. Abortion is simply another way to divide people.

It's funny... There is a stat out there that show over 70+ % of
Americans support a woman's right to choose... The left love to talk
about that number... It's not until you look into that a little deeper that you understand it better...

I am sceptical of any number brought out by the Elitists.

The only way to shut the left up on the abortion issue is to take the
tax payer's money away... Problem solved!!!

I think most people (on both sides of the debate) would agree that tax dollars should **not** be used.

But, again, that's not the Elitists' plan. So they don't want that.

It's funny to hear soooooooooo many lefties say that they'll move to Canada every time a Republican gets voted in... and they never do...

Because things are even worse there.

All I have to do is shoot one of them, gentleman callers, in the leg... and the word will get out... HAHAHA... My oldest daughter is turning
39 this September... Never a fear... Youngest daughter... 13... has
never gave me a reason to be fearful... But because of how sick our society is... I worry constantly.

I'm remembering Bill Engvall's monologue on this topic.


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If they have to be kept on a machine in order to force them to be
alive, then no they are not viable.

Be careful with that last statement. Do you mean that they must never
depend on a machine to stay alive, or that they would always need to be
on a life support machine to stay alive. Many premies need neonatal
machines for a period of time and then can be taken off them and live
without such support. I would call that viable, and past the time when abortion should be allowed (if that is all of the relevant facts).

I played with the wording a lot before posting but still didn't get it
quite right. ;) I was leaning towards something meaning "always," or at
least for a very long time.

It is difficult to precisely quantify.


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On 08 Aug 2023, Ron L. said the following...

Roe vs. Wade did nothing more than move the abortion issue from the
states to the federal level. It allowed the Elitists to more easily
push their agenda since they only had 1 venue, not 50, to contest things.

It did a lot... I know your view on the elitists... To return the country back to it's constitutional origins will not be done in one day. 10th amendment was exercised here... Texas celebrated 10,0000 babies being born since Roe was turned over... That may be insignificant to the likes of people who are stuck on agenda driven story lines... OR... we can celebrate the victories and move to the next conquest.

That is by design. The Elitists want to break people into groups. It's called "divide and conquer". Many tyrants have used this method. Abortion is simply another way to divide people.

I read an article about how the left is using the same tactics today as Marx did back in 1917.. <---I think that was the date, I might be off by a year... I agree 100% with the article... Marx had an easy target in his day... The working class struggled... It was easy to point that out and gin up the crowed, overthrow the government and install your communist utopia, which BTW works EVERY TIME it's installed... Lenin one time commented on the fact that the middle class growth and the expansion of wealth he observed in the US was unforeseen in his economic model.

It todays time the Marxist model cannot use the same economic model Marx used... Most Americans, and people in the Western World were happy, for the most part, living their dreams out... So they had to come up with different ways to separate us into different groups... Skin color, Gender... The list goes on and on... and then agitate us and work their Voodoo on us.

Ron, I don't disagree with you on the elite issue... I gust sense a tone that there is nothing we can do... And that's where we differ. I see the tides turning a little...

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Ron, heres an article that popped up while I was writing to you... In it had a few things I was thinking about while I was formulating my ideas. Anyway, Mitch McConnell was heckled for over 5 minutes during a speech in his home state... They were telling him to retire... Pence was heckled while on the campaign trail... telling him he was a sellout... List goes on...

I was watching a recent Trump rally, he was in South Carolina, and when Linday Graham, the senator for that state, got on the stage he was heckled and boo'd the entire time he was speaking...

Moreover, I see more and more TouTube channels where disenfranchised democrats are making a move from the Democratic party to the Republican party.

As a result... I am cautiously optimistic about the future... The Elites may run the media... but independent news sources out there are out telling the truth... Tucker, Megan Kelly ... et al.

The People are getting tired of the NeoCons and the like... I can't speak about the left... They don't mind being controlled and lied to...

I am sceptical of any number brought out by the Elitists.

If you asked anyone you bump into, non-nutjobs, about the abortion issue you'll find support for unfeathered access and no conditions... to a more realistic view where women should have access but there should be limits...

Just get the Tax Dollars out of the transaction!!!

I think most people (on both sides of the debate) would agree that tax dollars should **not** be used.

A lot of people see your point...

It's funny to hear soooooooooo many lefties say that they'll move to Canada every time a Republican gets voted in... and they never do...

Because things are even worse there.

They'll LOVE Trudeau... Metro-Sexual idiot... Wife just left him.... She claims she prefers men, apparently just like Obama.

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Hello Ron,

Prior to Roe V Wade being overturned there was no way to argue IJ>for the

baby's rights...

Roe vs. Wade did nothing more than move the abortion issue from the states to the federal level.

Babies have no rights. People do. That is why the Framers of the
Constitution began the US Constitution with "We the People ..."

It allowed the Elitists to more easily push their agenda
since they only had 1 venue, not 50, to contest things.

Maybe there should be a Baby Bill of Rights. But first you will
have to start by defining Baby.

I have no problem with factions arguing things out... If it weren't for
the pro-life community not backing down, playing the long-game, these
babies might not have a chance...

And it forces the anti-abortion community to take as extreme a stance as the
pro-abortion community. Hence the inability to find common ground and settle this once and for all.

There is no middle ground, and one cannot be both pro-life and
anti-life (the terms are contradictory). However, one can be whole
life. Meaning in every way, shape, and form. But that would mean
doing away with the death penalty, which those who claim to be
pro-life will never do.

That is by design.

So which one are you? A life-saver, or a killer?

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IB Joe wrote to Ron L. <=-

story lines... OR... we can celebrate the victories and move to the
next conquest.

My point was that the reversal of Roe Vs. Wade made it harder for the Elitists to push their agenda. Now abortion is not a "right" and must be fought on the state level.

I read an article about how the left is using the same tactics today as Marx did back in 1917.. <---I think that was the date, I might be off
by a year... I agree 100% with the article... Marx had an easy target
in his day... The working class struggled... It was easy to point that
out and gin up the crowed, overthrow the government and install your communist utopia, which BTW works EVERY TIME it's installed... Lenin
one time commented on the fact that the middle class growth and the expansion of wealth he observed in the US was unforeseen in his
economic model.

Yup. Even Marx was confused when the working class didn't rise up.

But Marx had never worked a day in his life, so didn't understand that economic prosperity brings EVERYONE up.

It todays time the Marxist model cannot use the same economic model
Marx used... Most Americans, and people in the Western World were
happy, for the most part, living their dreams out... So they had to
come up with different ways to separate us into different groups...
Skin color, Gender... The list goes on and on... and then agitate us
and work their Voodoo on us.

Hitler did something similar during WWII to split up groups in Germany. It made it much easier for the Nazis to control people.

And we all know about the Democrats' and Nazis' mutual respect. But not even the Nazis wanted to go as far as the Democrats.

Ron, I don't disagree with you on the elite issue... I gust sense a
tone that there is nothing we can do... And that's where we differ. I
see the tides turning a little...

I want to make people aware of what's going on in the background.

It's easy for a doctor to see the symptom, for example, but to heal the patient he needs to understand the cause. If he just treats the symptom, then the patient feels better for a while, but the root illness is still there.

People like Biden and Pelosi are the symptoms. I tend to treat them like Zaphod Beelblebrox from the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. "As President of the Galaxy, his responsibility in that position was to draw attention away from the true rulers of the universe. To that end, Zaphod and his outrageous behaviour were highly successful."

We need to handle the symptoms, but we also need to watch for the cause and eliminate that too.

As a result... I am cautiously optimistic about the future... The
Elites may run the media... but independent news sources out there are
out telling the truth... Tucker, Megan Kelly ... et al.

I'm optimistic too. But those people are the symptoms. The real problems aren't in the public eye.

And, sadly, for most people, it's "out of sight, out of mind".


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exercised here... Texas celebrated 10,0000 babies being born since Roe was tu
ed over... That may be insignificant to the likes of people who are stuck on a
nda driven story lines... OR... we can celebrate the victories and move to the
ext conquest.

What is the proof that all 10,000 would not have been born had it not been overturned?

It todays time the Marxist model cannot use the same economic model Marx used.
Most Americans, and people in the Western World were happy, for the most part
living their dreams out... So they had to come up with different ways to separ
e us into different groups... Skin color, Gender... The list goes on and on...
nd then agitate us and work their Voodoo on us.

Something of note here. I saw a video yesterday of a person who was lamenting that the voices/actions of a few radical "T's" is threatening to separate the LGBTQ community into different groups as others in the group get tired of those few.

I not only wonder but suspect that maybe they are experiencing the same
forces of separation that society as a whole is.

Ron, heres an article that popped up while I was writing to you... In it had a
ew things I was thinking about while I was formulating my ideas. Anyway, Mitc
McConnell was heckled for over 5 minutes during a speech in his home state... ey were telling him to retire... Pence was heckled while on the campaign trail
. telling him he was a sellout... List goes on...

Mitch was likely heckled by those who would never support a Republican...
the same ones who'd want him to retire -- so they can replace him with a Democrat -- even if he was the perfect picture of health. That has been
going on here for years.

It's funny to hear soooooooooo many lefties say that they'll move to
Canada every time a Republican gets voted in... and they never do...

Because things are even worse there.

They'll LOVE Trudeau... Metro-Sexual idiot... Wife just left him.... She claim
she prefers men, apparently just like Obama.

Some of them likely would, but they would miss causing discord in their
native US, what with their freedom of speech being curtailed in their new
home.


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On 09 Aug 2023, Ron Lauzon said the following...

My point was that the reversal of Roe Vs. Wade made it harder for the Elitists to push their agenda. Now abortion is not a "right" and must
be fought on the state level.

Exactly... Trump says that Pro-Lifers have bargaining power now, where as they didn't during the Roe era.

I love it when the constitution wins... Amendment 10 you rule..

Thank you for your clarification.

Yup. Even Marx was confused when the working class didn't rise up.

But Marx had never worked a day in his life, so didn't understand that economic prosperity brings EVERYONE up.

Most elitist, liberal or otherwise, are wealth and or educated and are caught up on the concept of their ideas and not the practical execution of them.

This is why I say send the homeless and illegal immigrants to Martha's Vineyard and the Hollywood Hills... and all the other places they frequent. Lets have these people poop on their yards and do crime on their properties.... Ohhhhh and take away their security and confiscate their guns so they can't defend themselves.... If this would be the case the problem would be solved in a day..

Hitler did something similar during WWII to split up groups in Germany. It made it much easier for the Nazis to control people.

And we all know about the Democrats' and Nazis' mutual respect. But not even the Nazis wanted to go as far as the Democrats.

This is what separates people with goals and those who didn't, or their goals were too small... There will be a time when historians look back and LOL at the Nazis' attempt and marvel at the coordinated, but unsuccessful attempt the Democrats made to bring down the US and the world!!!

I want to make people aware of what's going on in the background.

It's easy for a doctor to see the symptom, for example, but to heal the patient he needs to understand the cause. If he just treats the
symptom, then the patient feels better for a while, but the root illness is still there.

People like Biden and Pelosi are the symptoms. I tend to treat them like Zaphod Beelblebrox from the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. "As President of the Galaxy, his responsibility in that position was to draw attention away from the true rulers of the universe. To that end, Zaphod and his outrageous behaviour were highly successful."

We need to handle the symptoms, but we also need to watch for the cause and eliminate that too.

As a result... I am cautiously optimistic about the future... The Elites may run the media... but independent news sources out there ar out telling the truth... Tucker, Megan Kelly ... et al.

I'm optimistic too. But those people are the symptoms. The real
problems aren't in the public eye.

And, sadly, for most people, it's "out of sight, out of mind".

Ur spot on

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On 09 Aug 2023, Mike Powell said the following...

What is the proof that all 10,000 would not have been born had it not
been overturned?

I didn't do a full deep dive on this... I suspect they got the number here... A bunch of abortion clinics shut down... They are not open for business and are not killing babies... So if you add up the numbers of abortions that haven't done since Roe was overturned it might add up to 10,0000.

Even if it was less than that... these babies now have a chance whereas they didn't before.

Something of note here. I saw a video yesterday of a person who was lamenting that the voices/actions of a few radical "T's" is threatening
to separate the LGBTQ community into different groups as others in the group get tired of those few.

I not only wonder but suspect that maybe they are experiencing the same forces of separation that society as a whole is.

I have heard/seen the same... I follow a lesbian lady where she tackles this issue. in her videos she exposes the tensions that are happening within her community. A trans man can claim to be a woman and as well as claiming to be a woman he can claim to be a lesbian.... And that lesbians should just except his/her reality and "suck his organic dick" <---That was a quote from the trans female lesbian.

I don't see a problem with people kicking people out of the community. This has gotten WAY to stupid... Trans activists are trying to cram their agenda down everyones throats and push this on people's children.

I think this is all part of the Marxist ploy to overthrow the US... but that's a whole different message thread.

Mitch was likely heckled by those who would never support a Republican... the same ones who'd want him to retire -- so they can replace him with a Democrat -- even if he was the perfect picture of health. That has been going on here for years.

No, Mitch was heckled by his own constituents. There are a group of Republicans who seem to vote all the time against their party and voter's ideals... We have record inflation, not just because Joe Biden signed some bill into law... We have inflation because there are a handful of republicans who vote against their party platform and what the voters want. Lindsay Graham is an other... Boo'd at the last Trump rally...

From my vantage point I think the people are catching on and are speaking out. There should be term limits... and a cognitive test you need to pass if you want to do the people's business.

Some of them likely would, but they would miss causing discord in their native US, what with their freedom of speech being curtailed in their new home.

Trudeau will fix that quickly... Jail term or big fines... His biological father would be so proud as to what he's done to Canada.

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Mike Powell wrote to IB JOE <=-

Some of them likely would, but they would miss causing discord in their native US, what with their freedom of speech being curtailed in their
new home.

Their lack of self-awareness is legendary.


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IB Joe wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

This is why I say send the homeless and illegal immigrants to Martha's Vineyard and the Hollywood Hills... and all the other places they frequent. Lets have these people poop on their yards and do crime on their properties.... Ohhhhh and take away their security and confiscate their guns so they can't defend themselves.... If this would be the
case the problem would be solved in a day..

It won't happen.

1. The Elitists are always "Rules for thee, but not for me." So they certainly won't follow the rules they set up for others.
2. Their Narrative is true. No matter how much evidence to the contrary.


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On 10 Aug 2023, Ron L. said the following...

It won't happen.

1. The Elitists are always "Rules for thee, but not for me." So they certainly won't follow the rules they set up for others.
2. Their Narrative is true. No matter how much evidence to the contrary.

I'm still hopeful that homeless people pooping on rich people's yards will do the trick!!!

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I didn't do a full deep dive on this... I suspect they got the number here... bunch of abortion clinics shut down... They are not open for business and are t killing babies... So if you add up the numbers of abortions that haven't don
since Roe was overturned it might add up to 10,0000.

If they knew how many they were doing per week, that'd make sense how they could come up with a close approximation.

I don't see a problem with people kicking people out of the community. This ha
gotten WAY to stupid... Trans activists are trying to cram their agenda down ev
eryones throats and push this on people's children.

I don't see an issue with disassociating with individuals. I do have some empathy towards those who I might find odd because they are trans but who
are otherwise very sensible people. I don't see why they should be shunned
out of a community just because some dumbasses, that they don't agree with,
are causing trouble.

I think this is all part of the Marxist ploy to overthrow the US... but that'
a whole different message thread.

I actually think that is on topic here because that is what is going on... maybe not to overthrow but to cause something. That would explain a lot,
and those same forces, which are working against society as a whole, are probably the same ones working against the smaller LGBTQ community.

Divide us all and then conquer.

Some of them likely would, but they would miss causing discord in their native US, what with their freedom of speech being curtailed in their new
home.

Trudeau will fix that quickly... Jail term or big fines... His biological fat
r would be so proud as to what he's done to Canada.

Yeah, I think they'd realize they needed to come back. That is sad, in the sense that Canada used to be a neighbor that seemed like a good alternative
but Trudeau has really done a number on the country. At least it is still beautiful, outside the cities.

I have a few Canadian "non-BBS" friends on the FB. One of them pointed out
the results of Trudeau's attempt to censor social media. Apparently,
something that has not got much press here is that the bill also forces the social media companies to pay (either the source, or the Canadian
government) in order to carry Canadian news.

Facebook balked at this, so now all of the Canadian news FB pages tell
Canadian readers that they cannot read their posts online. Meanwhile those
of us in the US can still access them. Apparently, most other social media companies did the same.

I wonder now if it is not part of a plan to get all Canadian social media
users onto a government run platform, similar to what China has.


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On 10 Aug 2023, Mike Powell said the following...

I don't see an issue with disassociating with individuals. I do have
some empathy towards those who I might find odd because they are trans
but who are otherwise very sensible people. I don't see why they should be shunned out of a community just because some dumbasses, that they
don't agree with, are causing trouble.

I don't know... We have a lesbian in our house ... if some grown ass man who claimed to be a woman and then claimed to be a lesbian told her to suck his/her organic dick... They/them might have a problem.

There was a time when the group was AMERICAN... Now the left has taken on the Marxist model everything is one group or an other and then they pit each other against each other to cause division amongst the collective.

If the Trans community does not want to be represented by the extremes within their community they should just speak out.... The LGB people in that community are doing exactly that... Telling everyone it's NOT OKAY to be forcing you ideology down everyone's throat...

This hearkens back to the Bud Light issue... Most people don't care what you do with your life... or who you have sex with... For the most part... People are just getting tired of being told what to think...

Budweiser should have came out early with an apology to their base customers. They should have simply said they made an error and that error is simple... Keep out of Politics and Religion... Furthermore, they should have said... Dress in whatever clothes you want... Be whatever sex you want.... and more importantly... have sex with whomever you want... All we ask you is that you drink our beer while doing it.

I actually think that is on topic here because that is what is going
on... maybe not to overthrow but to cause something. That would explain
a lot, and those same forces, which are working against society as a whole, are probably the same ones working against the smaller LGBTQ community.

Divide us all and then conquer.

Yup... We know what the Marxist model is... BUT yet, like stupid sheep, we seem to walk right back into the trap every-single-time. Too bad we didn't have an independent media to help point this out to the masses.

This could be why Trudeau is trying to make independent News illegal in Chinada.

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On 10 Aug 2023, Mike Powell said the following...

Yeah, I think they'd realize they needed to come back. That is sad, in the sense that Canada used to be a neighbor that seemed like a good alternative but Trudeau has really done a number on the country. At
least it is still beautiful, outside the cities.

When I first immigrated to the US it felt like a lateral move... I moved from one country who shared a similar value system... It wasn't like I moved from Cuba to the US... What the difference a few years makes.

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Hello Joe,

[..]

Exactly... Trump says that Pro-Lifers have bargaining power now, where as they didn't during the Roe era.

Those very same "pro-lifers" continue to support state-sanctioned
murder in the form of executing scores of inmates on life row.
Imagine that. We are no different than the Taliban in Afghanistan.
Or the Mullahs in Iran. Murderers.

I love it when the constitution wins... Amendment 10 you rule..

What "rights" are reserved for states or the people? What "rights"
might those be? Oh, that's right. None are listed. Because there are
none.

Thank you for your clarification.

You're welcome.

For Life,
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Hello Joe,

I don't see an issue with disassociating with individuals. I do have
some empathy towards those who I might find odd because they are

trans

but who are otherwise very sensible people. I don't see why they

should

be shunned out of a community just because some dumbasses, that they
don't agree with, are causing trouble.

I don't know... We have a lesbian in our house ... if some grown ass man who
claimed to be a woman and then claimed to be a lesbian told her to suck his/her organic dick... They/them might have a problem.

Richard Nixon was a cross dresser. He was also a man. And married.
To a woman. Why would he have been a problem (if he was still alive)
had he visited your home?

Pete Buttigieg is also a man. And married. To another man. I am not
quite sure which of them is the husband and which one is the wife.
Maybe both are husbands or both are wives. Really doesn't matter to
me. Either way, both have been the same person they have always been,
having the same parts. Why would either or both be a problem if they
visited your home?

J. Edgar Hoover was a man. And very gay. But never bothered to marry
his true love. Served serveral presidents as director of the FBI. Why
would he have been a problem (if he was still alive) had he visited
your home?

Charles Manson was a heterosexual man. Never slept with another guy
a day in his life. Also never killed anybody (regardless of claimes to
the contrary). Why would he have been a problem (had he remained free
and at large) if he had visited your home?

Some folks choose to change their body parts to match what should be
their body parts. This is what makes them truly whole, who they should
be, and will be for all their lives. Why would any of them be a problem
if they were to visit your home?

Lesbians are people. Gays are people. Trans are people. Every person
should be free to decide for themselves who they want to be with, when
they want to be with them, and to do with them whatever they want.

Access to quality health care should be for ALL, not just for some,
or for many. ALL means ALL.

Government provides, business denies.

We are all part of what we call the United States of America.
Nobody is to be left out, as we are all in this together.

So grab your lesbian, hug her, and hug her friends as well.
Be the big happy family you were always meant to be.

You'll thank me later.

There was a time when the group was AMERICAN...

All the individuals I mentioned are or were patriotic Americans.
Although one was kind of tricky, and definitely was a crook.

Now the left has taken on the Marxist model everything is one group or an other and then they pit each other against each other to cause division amongst the collective.

Oh, don't be silly. It is all about Bidenomics. Everybody knows that.

If the Trans community does not want to be represented by the extremes within their community they should just speak out.... The LGB people in that community are doing exactly that... Telling everyone it's NOT OKAY to be forcing you ideology down everyone's throat...

The first of all human rights is access to quality health care.
Trans are human. Same as gays and lesbians and everybody else.

This hearkens back to the Bud Light issue...

Garth Brooks has Bud Light available at his store. He is willing
to sell it to all his fans, leaving out nobody.

Most people don't care what you do with your life...

Trans people care.
Gay people care.
Lesbian people care.
Straight people care.
Bisexual people care.
Asexual people care.

or who you have sex with...

David Bowie cared.

For the most part...

Yes. The Man Who Fell To Earth really did care.

People are just getting tired of being told what to think...

Then tune out.

Budweiser should have came out early with an apology to their base customers. They should have simply said they made an error and that error is simple... Keep out of Politics and Religion... Furthermore, they should have said... Dress in whatever clothes you want... Be whatever sex you want.... and more importantly... have sex with whomever you want... All we ask you is that you drink our beer while doing it.

Beer companies are doing just fine. Especially with football season
arriving in a few days. With this heat wave, we could all use a brew.

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IB Joe wrote to Mike Powell <=-

There was a time when the group was AMERICAN... Now the left has taken
on the Marxist model everything is one group or an other and then they
pit each other against each other to cause division amongst the collective.

It's been going on for a long, long time. Here's a movie from 1945 about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGAqYNFQdZ4

If the Trans community does not want to be represented by the extremes within their community they should just speak out.

But that would make the rabid ones go after them, and they are afraid.

This hearkens back to the Bud Light issue... Most people don't care
what you do with your life... or who you have sex with... For the most part... People are just getting tired of being told what to think...

And I think that's what's really pushing people out of their confort zones.

Budweiser should have came out early with an apology to their base customers. They should have simply said they made an error and that
error is simple... Keep out of Politics and Religion... Furthermore,
they should have said... Dress in whatever clothes you want... Be
whatever sex you want.... and more importantly... have sex with
whomever you want... All we ask you is that you drink our beer while
doing it.

The problem with that is that the rabid ones will then hit Bud with cries of "transphobic!" and smear them. Remember, you are either with them, or against them. There is no neutral.

Bud should have simply not gotten into politics at all and just kept up with a marketing of "we have good beer that people like" and if they want to put in a couple of purple haired people also having a good time, no one would have blinked an eye.

But Bud went woke and green lighted all this. They have no one to blame but themselves.

The question is whether or not other companies pay attention and de-Woke before they self-destruct too.

This could be why Trudeau is trying to make independent News illegal in Chinada.

Dictators always hate people who speak the truth.


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If the Trans community does not want to be represented by the extremes within their community they should just speak out.

But that would make the rabid ones go after them, and they are afraid.

Yes, there are members of their own community who will call them "phobic"
for making too much sense.


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Pete Buttigieg is also a man. And married. To another man. I am not
quite sure which of them is the husband and which one is the wife.

In the Fox News comments section, people refer to Buttigieg as Pete "The Wife" Buttigieg. I think it's because he talks about his husband too much.

Maybe both are husbands or both are wives. Really doesn't matter to
me. Either way, both have been the same person they have always been,

I think it's more polite to think of him Pete "The Unprecedented Quantity of Train Wrecks" Buttigieg.

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On 11 Aug 2023, Ron L. said the following...

But Bud went woke and green lighted all this. They have no one to blame but themselves.

The question is whether or not other companies pay attention and de-Woke before they self-destruct too.

This is funny I read that Budweiser had to sell off a bunch of craft beer companies to help pay the bills... Not sure if they'll ever recover...

BTW, funny note... I don't think Disney is getting it. They recently came out with a Minni Mouse dress line and they hired a trans-gender to model and promote the dress line.

An other funny note... They arrested a 16 year old boy because he said some female cop looked like a lesbian... I saw the photo of her... not saying myself publicly.... BUT what the hell is going on... arresting a 16 YO...

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Hello Aaron,

Pete Buttigieg is also a man. And married. To another man. I am not
quite sure which of them is the husband and which one is the wife.

In the Fox News comments section, people refer to Buttigieg as Pete "The Wife" Buttigieg. I think it's because he talks about his husband
too much.

One can never talk too much about the one you love.

Maybe both are husbands or both are wives. Really doesn't matter to
me. Either way, both have been the same person they have always been,

I think it's more polite to think of him Pete "The Unprecedented Quantity of
Train Wrecks" Buttigieg.

As long as they are happy together, what does it matter to you?
Or why should it? Are you happy with the one you love? Of course
you are. So why should either of them be denied being with the
one they love?

Love conguers all.

Peace on, bro.
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IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

This is funny I read that Budweiser had to sell off a bunch of craft
beer companies to help pay the bills... Not sure if they'll ever recover...

They won't. They haven't learned.

BTW, funny note... I don't think Disney is getting it. They recently came out with a Minni Mouse dress line and they hired a trans-gender to model and promote the dress line.

Yup. Disney is done. They pissed off the mama bears. Bad idea.

Bud and Disney will slowly die and their properties will be sold off or die off.

I wonder what ultra-rich person will buy the "Disney Catalog".

I figure Elon will buy the theme parks for pennies on the dollar, un-woke them, and make a(nother) bundle of money.

An other funny note... They arrested a 16 year old boy because he said some female cop looked like a lesbian... I saw the photo of her... not saying myself publicly.... BUT what the hell is going on... arresting a
16 YO...

A 16-year old boy with autism (i.e. no filter).

Reminds me of the Emperor's New Clothes:

"But the Emperor has nothing at all on!" said a little child.

"Listen to the voice of innocence!" exclaimed his father; and what the child had said was whispered from one to another.

"But he has nothing at all on!" at last cried out all the people. The Emperor was vexed, for he knew that the people were right; but he thought the procession must go on now! And the lords of the bedchamber took greater pains than ever, to appear holding up a train, although, in reality, there was no train to hold.


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An other funny note... They arrested a 16 year old boy because he said some fe
le cop looked like a lesbian... I saw the photo of her... not saying myself p
licly.... BUT what the hell is going on... arresting a 16 YO...

Where did that happen?


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An other funny note... They arrested a 16 year old boy because he said some female cop looked like a lesbian... I saw the photo of her... not saying myself publicly.... BUT what the hell is going on... arresting a 16 YO...

A 16-year old boy with autism (i.e. no filter).

The irony there is that it was not too terribly long ago that having autism
was a "get out of jail free" card when it came to saying (and sometimes
doing) things that others couldn't get away with. Now they will be
punished like the rest of us for pointing out someone else's "get out of
jail free" card.

Reminds me of the Emperor's New Clothes:

That is a good point!


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On 12 Aug 2023, Ron L. said the following...

Yup. Disney is done. They pissed off the mama bears. Bad idea.

Bud and Disney will slowly die and their properties will be sold off or die off.

Being from Florida... Disney is/was an icon there... I use to live ~1.5 hours away. I went to Disney soooooooooo many times... family would come down and want to go... I heard "It's a small world after all" Soooooooooooo many times I swore to god I was going to loose. I survived my numerous trips.

:)

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On 12 Aug 2023, Mike Powell said the following...

Where did that happen?

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/officers-drag-autistic-girl-from-home-for- saying-cop-looks-like-my-lesbian-nana/ar-AA1f8Kaz

It was a 16 YO autistic girl... She said that the copy looks like her lesbian aunt... The cop, being sensitive, took in as homophobic and through the cuffs on the disabled girl.

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Train Wrecks" Buttigieg.

As long as they are happy together, what does it matter to you?
Or why should it? Are you happy with the one you love? Of course
you are. So why should either of them be denied being with the
one they love?

How do you know that they're happy together? How would you like it if your husband was responsible for more train wrecks than he has fingers to count them with?

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Being from Florida... Disney is/was an icon there... I use to live ~1.5 hours away. I went to Disney soooooooooo many times... family would
come down and want to go... I heard "It's a small world after all" Soooooooooooo many times I swore to god I was going to loose. I
survived my numerous trips.

My kids know (because they hear it a lot) that Democrats are incredibly evil, and perhaps not even human (I talk a lot.) They don't want to go to Disney World, and they don't watch the Disney Channel either.

I went there when I was a kid in the early 80s and enjoyed it, but I can't be signing paychecks for some awful reptilian media company.

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IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

Being from Florida... Disney is/was an icon there...

With the woke-ness coming out, plus ripping the mask away from the whole Reedy Marsh mess I think has put some tarnish on that icon.

Like everything it seems, good people set it up and grow it, then the Elitists infiltrate it and wreck it.


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Hello Aaron,

Train Wrecks" Buttigieg.

As long as they are happy together, what does it matter to you?
Or why should it? Are you happy with the one you love? Of course
you are. So why should either of them be denied being with the
one they love?

How do you know that they're happy together?

They both play with the same set of toys without complaint.

How would you like it if your husband was responsible for more train wrecks
than he has fingers to count them with?

That's what happens when both play with their choo-choos on the same
railway tracks.

For Life,
Lee

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As long as they are happy together, what does it matter to you?
Or why should it? Are you happy with the one you love? Of course
you are. So why should either of them be denied being with the
one they love?

It's Adam & Eve, not Adam & Steve.

Love conguers all.

Yeah it's all fun and games until one or both gets a STD, or worse AIDS. queers.

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On 13 Aug 2023, Ron L. said the following...

IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

Being from Florida... Disney is/was an icon there...

With the woke-ness coming out, plus ripping the mask away from the whole Reedy Marsh mess I think has put some tarnish on that icon.

Like everything it seems, good people set it up and grow it, then the Elitists infiltrate it and wreck it.

U got that right mate!!!!

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Hello Greg,

As long as they are happy together, what does it matter to you?
Or why should it? Are you happy with the one you love? Of course
you are. So why should either of them be denied being with the
one they love?

It's Adam & Eve, not Adam & Steve.

For all we know both were true hermaphrodites.
And one was cloned from the other, created from a rib.
And then given one commandment.
And only one for them to follow and obey.
Be fruitful and multiply.

Love conguers all.

Yeah it's all fun and games until one or both gets a STD, or worse AIDS. queers.

Gays and lesbians are no more at risk of contracting an STD,
AIDS, or other disease than any other person. It is all in your
head. The drivel you have been brainswashed with is simply not
true.

An individual's sexual orientation does not make them sick.
What a silly thought, as if such was the case then each and
every one of us on this planet would be dead.

Buttigieg and his wife/husband (not sure which is which) are
very committed - to each other - as they are married - to each
other - and have never cheated - on each other.

No really sure about the being fruitful and multiply part,
but I presume both are able to donate sperm.

For Life,
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How would you like it if your husband was responsible for more train wrecks
than he has fingers to count them with?

That's what happens when both play with their choo-choos on the same railway tracks.

Not all gay guys are dumb asses. Just the ones that vote for Democrats.

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Hello Aaron,

How would you like it if your husband was responsible for more

train

wrecks
than he has fingers to count them with?

That's what happens when both play with their choo-choos on the same
railway tracks.

Not all gay guys are dumb asses. Just the ones that vote for Democrats.

Log Cabin Republicans vote for Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders?
And all other Democrats? My, my. Almost like Twisted Sister.

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Not all gay guys are dumb asses. Just the ones that vote for Democrat

Log Cabin Republicans vote for Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders?
And all other Democrats? My, my. Almost like Twisted Sister.

I never heard of them until now. It looks hacky; they just want to be like the Democrats, but I can see through it. What's not very "Republican" about them is that they've forgotten that we're all one community, and that there's no such thing as an "lgbtq community" in the USA.

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