• Re: Documents Case Tossed

    From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Fri Jul 19 16:02:30 2024
    In any case it is an embarrassment that a federal judge in the USA would >> pull >> such a stunt.

    Toss a case because the special council was not properly appointed?

    That is not what happened.

    Federal judge dismisses Trump classified documents case over concerns with prosecutor's appointment

    SOURCE: The Associated Press https://apnews.com/article/trump-classified-docu
    ents-smith-c66d5ffb7ba86c1b991f95e89bdeba0c

    [...]

    That is not what happened.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Lee Lofaso on Fri Jul 19 19:21:12 2024
    I also heard that Joe is planning to pass the mic to Kamala, the border-czar.

    Wishing Joe Biden dead is truly sick and disgusting.

    Your people are wishing him dead because they think he's an obstacle in their quest for another trillion dollars.

    I'm wishing Biden well because he's our president. Look at all his achievements. He's made Ukraine stronger than they were before. What could be more important than that?

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  • From halian@1:123/10 to IB Joe on Sat Jul 20 06:07:52 2024
    IB Joe, Pronouns (FJB/LGB)

    Phrases aren't pronouns. You need to take remedial English.
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  • From halian@1:123/10 to Alan Ianson on Sat Jul 20 06:14:46 2024
    In any case it is an embarrassment that a federal judge in the USA wo >> pull >> such a stunt.

    Toss a case because the special council was not properly appointed?

    That is not what happened.

    Federal judge dismisses Trump classified documents case over concerns wi prosecutor's appointment

    SOURCE: The Associated Press https://apnews.com/article/trump-classified
    ents-smith-c66d5ffb7ba86c1b991f95e89bdeba0c

    [...]

    That is not what happened.

    Pull your head out of the sand and read the order. On the very first page, it reads in part:

    The Superseding Indictment is *DISMISSED* because Special Counsel Smith's appointment violates the Appointments Clause of the Untied States Constitution. U.S. Const., Art. II, [Sec.] 2, cl. 2. Special Counsel
    Smith's use of a permanent indefinite appropriation also violates the Appropriations Clause, U.S. Const., Art. I, [Sec.] 9, cl. 7, but the Court need not address the proper remedy for that funding violation given the dismissal on Appointments Clause grounds.

    (source: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24807236-trump-classified-documents-cas
    e-dismissed, linked to in above-mentioned AP article; can't type the section symbol)

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Sat Jul 20 10:22:00 2024
    In any case it is an embarrassment that a federal judge in the USA would >> pull >> such a stunt.

    Toss a case because the special council was not properly appointed?

    That is not what happened.

    Federal judge dismisses Trump classified documents case over concerns with prosecutor's appointment

    SOURCE: The Associated Press https://apnews.com/article/trump-classified-doc
    ents-smith-c66d5ffb7ba86c1b991f95e89bdeba0c

    [...]

    That is not what happened.

    Sorry, several reputable news sources say that *is* what happened. You don't seem to have a (non-op-ed) source that says otherwise. I don't take your
    word for anything without verifying it, and all reputable sources say you
    are incorrect.

    Republicans, MAGAs, and conservatives are not the only ones who won't
    accept reality when it doesn't suit them. Neither do you.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to halian on Sat Jul 20 09:50:14 2024
    On 20 Jul 2024, halian said the following...

    IB Joe, Pronouns (FJB/LGB)

    Phrases aren't pronouns. You need to take remedial English.

    -╟╢âlian


    So now you are the pronoun Queen!!!

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to halian on Sat Jul 20 13:43:34 2024
    That is not what happened.

    Pull your head out of the sand and read the order. On the very first page, it reads in part:

    Pull your head out of the sand and read what I said.

    The Superseding Indictment is *DISMISSED* because Special Counsel Smith's
    appointment violates the Appointments Clause of the Untied States
    Constitution. U.S. Const., Art. II, [Sec.] 2, cl. 2. Special Counsel
    Smith's use of a permanent indefinite appropriation also violates the
    Appropriations Clause, U.S. Const., Art. I, [Sec.] 9, cl. 7, but the Court >> need not address the proper remedy for that funding violation given the
    dismissal on Appointments Clause grounds.

    (source: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24807236-trump-classified-doc
    ments-cas
    e-dismissed, linked to in above-mentioned AP article; can't type the section symbol)

    I said this is not about the prosecution. This is about the appointment of the special prosecutor.

    Jack Smith was appointed like so many other special prosecutors before him by the attorney general.

    There is nothing wrong with the appointment of Jack Smith as prosecutor.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Sat Jul 20 13:46:42 2024
    [...]

    That is not what happened.

    Sorry, several reputable news sources say that *is* what happened. You don't seem to have a (non-op-ed) source that says otherwise. I don't take your word for anything without verifying it, and all reputable sources say you
    are incorrect.

    Republicans, MAGAs, and conservatives are not the only ones who won't
    accept reality when it doesn't suit them. Neither do you.

    Reality is there was/is nothing wrong with Jack Smith's appointment as special prosecutor.

    Aileen acted on bad advice given to her by Clarence.

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  • From halian@1:123/10 to IB Joe on Sat Jul 20 18:23:58 2024
    So now you are the pronoun Queen!!!

    Imagine being this loud while being this wrong.
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Sat Jul 20 20:28:42 2024
    Reality is there was/is nothing wrong with Jack Smith's appointment as special prosecutor.

    Aileen acted on bad advice given to her by Clarence.

    Is that what she said? What was the advice? What did Clarence say to her exactly?

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Jul 20 19:47:38 2024
    Reality is there was/is nothing wrong with Jack Smith's appointment as
    special prosecutor.

    Aileen acted on bad advice given to her by Clarence.
    Is that what she said? What was the advice? What did Clarence say to her exactly?

    I hope you are kidding me.

    Try this.

    https://tinyurl.com/45sfcvcr

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Sat Jul 20 23:15:04 2024
    Reality is there was/is nothing wrong with Jack Smith's appointment as >> special prosecutor.

    Aileen acted on bad advice given to her by Clarence.
    Is that what she said? What was the advice? What did Clarence say to her exactly?

    I hope you are kidding me.

    Try this.

    https://tinyurl.com/45sfcvcr

    This Newsweek article says that Cannon is the one who made the decision, and that Thomas "agrees" with Cannon's decision. But Judge Cannon is a US District Judge and Clarence Thomas is a US Supreme Court Justice. Newsweek can quote Justice Clarence Thomas all they want, but understand that Clarence Thomas has no say in the matter at this time, because so far the case is not being escalated to the US Supreme Court.

    And even if the case did end up there, this black guy that you're oppressing is only 1 vote out of 9.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Jul 21 00:14:28 2024
    This Newsweek article says that Cannon is the one who made the decision, and
    that Thomas "agrees" with Cannon's decision. But Judge Cannon is a US District
    Judge and Clarence Thomas is a US Supreme Court Justice. Newsweek can quote
    Justice Clarence Thomas all they want, but understand that Clarence Thomas has
    no say in the matter at this time, because so far the case is not being escalated to the US Supreme Court.

    You're not kidding!

    Aileen copy/pasted Clarence's instruction into here dismissal.

    Have another read, it's in there.

    And even if the case did end up there, this black guy that you're oppressing is only 1 vote out of 9.

    I am not oppressing anyone and there was no vote.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to halian on Sun Jul 21 16:07:15 2024
    Hello Halian,

    [..]

    That is not what happened.

    Pull your head out of the sand and read the order. On the very first page, it reads in part:

    The Superseding Indictment is *DISMISSED* because Special Counsel Smith's
    appointment violates the Appointments Clause of the Untied States
    Constitution. U.S. Const., Art. II, [Sec.] 2, cl. 2. Special Counsel
    Smith's use of a permanent indefinite appropriation also violates the
    Appropriations Clause, U.S. Const., Art. I, [Sec.] 9, cl. 7, but the Court
    need not address the proper remedy for that funding violation given the
    dismissal on Appointments Clause grounds.

    On Wednesday, Special Counsel Jack Smith filed an appeal to the
    11th Court of Appeals based in Atlanta. The three-judge panel will
    review the case and matters will be taken from there.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From halian@1:123/10 to Lee Lofaso on Sun Jul 21 13:32:37 2024
    Hello Halian,

    [..]

    That is not what happened.

    Pull your head out of the sand and read the order. On the very first p it reads in part:
    [snip]

    On Wednesday, Special Counsel Jack Smith filed an appeal to the
    11th Court of Appeals based in Atlanta. The three-judge panel will
    review the case and matters will be taken from there.

    And hopefully they set Judge Cannon right.
    -Ěšalian

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Sun Jul 21 12:47:00 2024
    That is not what happened.

    Sorry, several reputable news sources say that *is* what happened. You don'
    seem to have a (non-op-ed) source that says otherwise. I don't take your word for anything without verifying it, and all reputable sources say you are incorrect.

    Republicans, MAGAs, and conservatives are not the only ones who won't accept reality when it doesn't suit them. Neither do you.

    Reality is there was/is nothing wrong with Jack Smith's appointment as special
    prosecutor.

    That is an opinion, and it is one that higher courts could agree with. But that doesn't mean that what happened *didn't happen*.

    Aileen acted on bad advice given to her by Clarence.

    That is hearsay.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Sun Jul 21 13:08:00 2024
    That is not what happened.

    Pull your head out of the sand and read the order. On the very first page, i
    reads in part:

    Pull your head out of the sand and read what I said.

    I said this is not about the prosecution. This is about the appointment of the
    special prosecutor.

    The special prosecutor (noun) = the prosecution (also a noun).

    Basically you don't like what happened, which caused you to have an
    emotional reaction and claim that something didn't happen. Then, when you
    got called out on it, you started trying to play semantics while still
    claiming that something that happened "didn't happen."

    "That is not what happened" is what you said, that is still quoted at the
    top of this message. You said that in answer to me pointing out (again)
    that the judge tossed the case on the grounds that the special prosecutor
    was not properly appointed.

    That is what we all read and are questioning because we know "that is not
    what happened" is incorrect.


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Sun Jul 21 12:35:30 2024
    Reality is there was/is nothing wrong with Jack Smith's appointment as
    special prosecutor.

    That is an opinion,

    No, that's a fact.

    and it is one that higher courts could agree with. But
    that doesn't mean that what happened *didn't happen*.

    It happened alright. It's your narrative that is off.

    Aileen acted on bad advice given to her by Clarence.

    That is hearsay.

    Not at all. Compare Clarence's writings with Aileen's writings.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Sun Jul 21 12:53:00 2024
    The special prosecutor (noun) = the prosecution (also a noun).

    Wrong. A prosecution and a special prosecutor are in fact two different things.

    Basically you don't like what happened, which caused you to have an
    emotional reaction and claim that something didn't happen.

    It doesn't matter what I like or don't like. My response to you was simply factual.

    Then, when you got called out on it,

    I have not been called out on anything.

    [...]

    I'm going to try this one more time for you.

    This is not about any prosecution, by Jack Smith or anyone else.

    This is about the apointment of a special prosecutor. Aileen claims the appointment of Jack Smith was unconstitutional.

    Get it?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Sun Jul 21 16:24:54 2024
    Aileen copy/pasted Clarence's instruction into here dismissal.

    The Supreme Court is a higher court than the US District Court. If the US District Court does what the Supreme Court tells them to do, then the case will have a different experience when it escalates.

    Our people have every right to network with each other the same way the Democrats do.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Sun Jul 21 19:00:54 2024
    Aileen acted on bad advice given to her by Clarence.

    That is hearsay.

    Not at all. Compare Clarence's writings with Aileen's writings.

    But neither Aileen Cannon nor Clarence Thomas are writers..

    Check Mike's writings and mine. Me and him are writers.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Mon Jul 22 08:51:00 2024
    The special prosecutor (noun) = the prosecution (also a noun).

    Wrong. A prosecution and a special prosecutor are in fact two different things

    So you believe the special prosecutor is not a member of the prosecution?

    There is your problem right there.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Mon Jul 22 10:03:30 2024
    On 22 Jul 2024, Mike Powell said the following...


    So you believe the special prosecutor is not a member of the prosecution?

    There is your problem right there.


    That is Jack's problem... Prosecutors wield a tremendous amount of authority... There has to be a process before one takes office.

    Our current AG is the Barney Fife of AGs and a partisan hack to boot.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Mon Jul 22 10:43:58 2024
    Wrong. A prosecution and a special prosecutor are in fact two different
    things

    So you believe the special prosecutor is not a member of the prosecution?

    I never said that, you did.

    There is your problem right there.

    This is my last attempt..

    The issue is not about any prosecution or who the prosecutor is.

    The issue (for Aileen) is that a special prosecution is unconstitutional and that Jack Smith was wrongly appointed.

    It's a silly argument to make.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Tue Jul 23 10:46:00 2024
    So you believe the special prosecutor is not a member of the prosecution?

    I never said that, you did.

    No, you did.

    There is your problem right there.

    This is my last attempt..

    The issue is not about any prosecution or who the prosecutor is.

    The issue (for Aileen) is that a special prosecution is unconstitutional and that Jack Smith was wrongly appointed.

    NO, it isn't. The issue, per the ruling, is that the special prosecution
    was improperly appointed and said appointment is therefore unconsitutional.

    "A special prosecution is unconstitutional" -- your words above -- was NOT
    part of the ruling. The way the special prosecution was appointed -- unconstitutionally -- *IS THE ISSUE*.

    So, YES, there is an issue about the prosecution (ruled to be using a
    special prosecutor that was improperly appointed) and who the prosecutor is (ruled to be someone who was not constitutionally appointed).


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Tue Jul 23 12:43:38 2024
    I never said that, you did.

    No, you did.

    No, I never said that. I never wrote that. It is your narrative.

    The issue (for Aileen) is that a special prosecution is unconstitutional and >> that Jack Smith was wrongly appointed.

    NO, it isn't. The issue, per the ruling, is that the special prosecution
    was improperly appointed and said appointment is therefore unconsitutional.

    That's what I said.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Wed Jul 24 10:51:00 2024
    The issue (for Aileen) is that a special prosecution is unconstitutional an
    that Jack Smith was wrongly appointed.

    NO, it isn't. The issue, per the ruling, is that the special prosecution was improperly appointed and said appointment is therefore unconsitutional.

    That's what I said.

    No that is what I said, and you kept telling me I was wrong. I was also
    not the only one to call you out on it.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Alan Ianson on Wed Jul 24 21:26:09 2024
    Hello Alan,

    Not at all. Compare Clarence's writings with Aileen's writings.

    But neither Aileen Cannon nor Clarence Thomas are writers..

    Don't be silly.

    Check Mike's writings and mine. Me and him are writers.

    Don't be silly.

    Aileen and Clarence get paid for their rants.
    Their rants are known as opinions.

    Mike and Aaron do not get paid anything at all.
    Whether verbal or written.
    Do keep up.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Jul 24 21:26:15 2024
    Hello Aaron,

    Aileen acted on bad advice given to her by Clarence.

    That is hearsay.

    Not at all. Compare Clarence's writings with Aileen's writings.

    But neither Aileen Cannon nor Clarence Thomas are writers..

    Check Mike's writings and mine. Me and him are writers.

    Opinions are opinions, whether stated verbally or in writing.

    If I say the moon is made of cheese, it is an opinion.
    If I write the moon is made of cheese, it is an opinion.
    And who knows? I very well might be right.

    But getting there to prove me wrong would be one hell
    of a challenge. Good luck getting there.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Alan Ianson on Wed Jul 24 21:26:23 2024
    Hello Alan,

    [..]

    The issue is not about any prosecution or who the prosecutor is.

    No matter how others might want to spin it, that is the issue.

    The issue (for Aileen) is that a special prosecution is unconstitutional and
    that Jack Smith was wrongly appointed.

    That is her opinion, no matter how flawed.

    It's a silly argument to make.

    As noted by Special Counsel (Jack Smith) in his appeal.
    The judge will also likely get tossed from the case.

    For Life,
    Lee

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